The VO Meter… Measuring Your Voice Over Progress.
Hi, everybody, and welcome to episode 19 of The VO Meter…
Measuring Your Voice Over Progress.
So we’ve got a very exciting episode for you guys today. It’s a new year, a time of new beginnings and fresh starts. We’ve got a great guest today.
We’ve got voiceover actor and coach, Marc Cashman.
And we’ve got our first fan taking advantage of questionable gear purchases, so you and I don’t have to.
I know. It’s something we don’t have to write off anymore.
Can’t wait for that.
But first, current events. What have you been up to, Paul? It’s been a couple of weeks.
Well, we had the holidays here on the East Coast and lots of snow and ice. We’re right in the middle of the bomb cyclone. I’m not sure if you West coasters have heard of this, but it’s pretty much like snowmageddon all over the East Coast, from Tallahassee to Portland, Maine.
Right now, in my neck of the woods, it’s 9 degrees above zero Fahrenheit. And the high… sorry, the low this morning was 4 degrees.
And it’s supposed to get even colder over the weekend, so I’m pretty terrified about that. But before that, I actually had a great week because my family and I took a cruise to the Bahamas.
Oh, yeah, you told me about that.
Yeah, that was a lot of fun. We did that right after Christmas. We did the whole Christmas thing here and then went the next day, which I thought was going to be a nightmare to get on the plane at the airport on the 26th, but it turned out pretty OK.
And we went to the Bahamas for our cruise that went to the Bahamas for a couple of days. We were back by New Year’s Eve and celebrated that with some family. But great holiday season with the family and friends.
And now I’m just looking forward to getting the New Year started in the voiceover world. What’s going on with you?
Oh, I was just curious. Did you get any work done over the holidays or was it pretty much lights off?
No, I turned it off, actually. In fact, I put a post on one of the Facebook groups where I said I was kind of itching to get some stuff done and got blasted by some people saying, take a break, you don’t need to be working. Some even had sort of tone like, you don’t have any work to do anyway, loser.
So I turned it off. And basically…
That was awful harsh, guys.
I mean, not in so many words, but there was a hint there. So it was kind of like, hey, real pros know when to take a break. So I did.
And I didn’t do any work at all, which is a nice change of pace.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I got a little bit, like I said, I’ve got this monthly e-learning client for englishanyone.com. It’s probably my largest and longest term client.
And so I wanted to make sure those get in. Just finished another batch. And yeah, it’s always…
For me, it’s funny because I feel like I don’t have a whole lot of work during the first couple of weeks of the month. And then I’m just like, the last week is always slamming to get everything done and pretty unpolished before we release it out to our subscribers. But it’s great.
I mean, I’m really happy for the work.
Well, that’s great. So one of the themes, obviously, of this episode is New Year’s Resolutions because it is the new year. Why don’t you talk about some of the New Year’s Resolutions you might have?
Well, I’d like to increase my number of agents. I’ve got a handful right now. I’d like to have two handfuls.
Maybe a bushel?
A bushel, yeah, or a baker’s dozen. Or a gaggle even. Just throw out any other hilarious collective nouns you can think of.
But other than that, just kind of maintain the good relationship I have with my current agents. Been actually getting a lot more interesting gigs from my on-camera agent here in Washington, so that’s fun.
Oh, cool.
So everything from being a fit model for a certain large clothing company to a lot of big tech companies that we have in Washington that I can’t talk about. But it looks like it’s in an interesting year. We’ve only messed up two business emails and of course our podcasting session today, so…
Awesome.
Off to a great start.
So you said fit model for a large clothing company. Does that mean plus size clothing company or a large in volume? I wasn’t sure how much weight you put on over the holidays.
I had the same conversation. No, I know, I easily put on 10 or 15 pounds, but then again, I tend to celebrate from October till now. But yeah, a fit model is actually someone who, it’s basically like a living mannequin.
It’s basically you try on different outfits in front of a panel of designers, and then they just take notes on the fit and feel of the clothing, because then they figure out like, oh, the shoulders a little tight, we need to adjust the stitching here, and things like that. Yeah, so it’s not like a fitness model where you have to have like an eight-pack and be able to wear underwear and people not run in terror.
But yeah, it’s interesting. The whole on-camera world still mystifies me. I still need to learn basic things, like how to address a camera and stuff like that.
But my agent has been sending me mostly positive feedback, and we communicate all the time, which is something that a lot of new talent are curious about. I see questions about this a lot, where it’s like, I’ve got a new agent. I never hear from them, though.
Is that good or bad? And we need to remember that our agents are very, very busy people. So unless they reach out to you, you’re not gonna hear from them very often, unless you book a gig, or unless you’re doing a terrible faux pas.
So it’s true what they say about no news being good news. So be excited about your new agent, celebrate that. But if you don’t hear from them all the time, it’s okay.
It’s not you.
Yeah, that actually brings up some of my New Year’s resolutions. To be, to have more personal communication, both with agents and clients. Something I did recently was reach out to all my agents by sending them a holiday gift, which is a simple thing.
I didn’t have to get out of the studio to do it. I sent Starbucks e-gift cards to all my agents and got a reply back from all of them saying, oh, that’s so sweet. Thank you very much.
So that’s a great way to find out, one, if your agent still is your agent. If that is a worry that you have, like you said, or if you haven’t talked to them for a while and you want to sort of take a temperature check, that’s a great way to break the ice and have them come back and talk to you. Because every one of them sent back a thank you note and none of them said, oh, by the way, you’re no longer with us.
You’ve been dropped. Can you imagine the person’s like, thank you for the gift. I’m not giving it back, but you’ve been dropped.
It could happen.
It could happen. There are terrible people out there.
But thankfully it didn’t. So yeah, I wanna have more personal communication with my agents and then with clients because my subscription to one of the pay to plays, Voice 123, just expired. And that leaves me with only Bodalgo as the online casting site that I’m with.
So I really need to find other ways to drum up business. So I talked to the president of our local chamber of commerce. He’s actually a friend of mine from a previous business.
So that worked out well.
And I thought you were gonna say to the president. I was like, wow, I don’t know if he’ll be able to help you out, but I mean, I like your initiative.
I live pretty close to DC, you never know. But this is the president of our local chamber of commerce. And we might actually be able to barter a membership with that organization where I do some voice work for them.
We’re in talks, as they say. And I’m reaching out to local companies as well to see if I can do some work there. Somebody contacted me just before the holidays to do their phone system.
So that looks like a promising lead. I really want to focus more on business-to-business marketing or even business-to-consumer marketing, because that’s really the best way to gain clients, long-term clients, because you may get an audition from a pay-to-play or online casting site, as we call them. And it may be a one-time job, but if you build a relationship with somebody locally, that normally turns into a long-term client, and that’s what I’m kind of hoping for.
And then, to that end, I’ve revamped my website. I hired our good friend Joe Davis at voiceactingwebsites.com. Or is it voiceactorwebsites.com?
Of course I screwed it up.
I believe it’s voice actor websites, but I mean, he’s a great guy. If you want something that’s responsive and really nice-looking website, definitely check out Joe. He’s pretty much the first person we recommend through GVAA, so highly recommend him.
All right, so Joe and his team, Karen Barth, who was the designer with me, just finished up and we published it on Wednesday, sort of a soft launch, because I really just had them recreate what I had done on Wix myself, because now it’s more professionally done, it’s SEO-friendly and, like you said, responsive, and just looks overall better and it’s easier to update in the future, which is a big deal. So that is out there now. If you want to check it out, go to paulsstofano.com.
Let me know what you think. I’d appreciate the feedback.
Hire him.
That would be nice too. There’s a nice contact form that actually works. I’m not sure my other one ever was.
So send me an email and let me know what I can do for you. So yeah, that’s my main New Year’s resolution, is to focus more on marketing my business myself, as opposed to relying on pay-to-play sites or online casting sites that really weren’t helping me that much anyway.
Excellent, excellent. Yeah, I mean, I feel like the whole online… Like I personally still get a lot of jobs from Bodago.
It’s the only one that I’m on. I’ve considered rejoining some of the other ones, but I haven’t had the $400 lying around to invest, so…
Yeah, that’s a barrier to entry for sure.
But I mean, it’s great practice, if nothing else. I mean, you have a steady stream of auditions, of a variety of auditions, and it’s something that our guest has actually talked about on a number of occasions. It’s just daily practice with real scripts.
So, if nothing else, you’re paying for your education. All right, but enough with current events. Up next, we have our questionable gear purchases, and this one’s going to be a little bit different because we actually got one of you, one of our studio audience, or internet audience, or whatever the term is, to submit a questionable gear purchase for us.
So, Paul, I believe you interviewed our friend Greg Thomas to talk about his recent questionable gear purchase. How did that go?
It was interesting. We found out there was a lot in common that won’t surprise the audience, but let’s let Greg tell the story, and we can talk about it when we come back.
Questionable gear purchase.
Okay, so I am now live on the Source Connect Now line with Greg Thomas, who is our first fan to take advantage of our fan contributions to questionable gear purchase. So, Greg, welcome.
Well, thanks very much, Paul. I’m glad to be here, and I guess I’ll be your guinea pig, okay?
I guess so. You signed up for it.
Yeah, I volunteered for this. You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, so.
Yeah, exactly. So you reached out to me and said you had made a purchase recently that maybe didn’t work out so well. Tell us a little bit about your questionable gear purchase.
Well, what I bought was an Allen and Heath ZI-10, and the reason that I purchased it was because it had two features in the same box that I was looking for. It had multiple microphone inputs and it had a deal where I could, you know, play audio back to the client if they wanted to hear a part of a take again. You know, it had true mix-minus on it.
So I thought, well, you know, here, this is wonderful. This is great. So I bought it back in April, of all things, and I was gonna test it out and use it, but then I had a volunteer weekend that I had to do, and that was interrupted by having to go in the hospital for gallbladder surgery.
So it just kind of sat, and then it sat some more, and then it sat some more. And the first lesson out of all of this is, if you get a new piece of gear, be sure you test it within the 30-day window that the manufacturer gives you, because I went way past that, and they weren’t able to take it back in exchange, you know, just give me a refund for it. So when I plugged it up, it worked great on my blue microphone, and it worked great on my AT microphone, but there was this awful noise on my Michael Jolly Mod V250, which is the mic I’m on now, and the mic that I use all the time.
And so when your primary mic doesn’t work, you know, you don’t particularly want to use the box. So I talked with Alan and Heath, and they were wonderful, and they took it back, and they did some kind of modification. They said, this will fix the problem.
They sent it back. It did not fix the problem. Apparently, some microphones…
And after talking with the dealer, I found out that some condenser microphones, they need an external 48-volt power supply, which is what solved the problem. But so no more noise. But we couldn’t…
And I even worked with George Whitham on this. I bought it on his recommendation. I heard him talk about it on a VOBS episode.
And he and I worked together. We could not get it to work on Source Connect. My AGO3 works fine on Source Connect and on Skype, but we couldn’t get the Allen and Heath box to work right.
There’s probably a trick to it, but we couldn’t figure it out long distance. So I ended up… I posted the thing on VO Gear Exchange, and somehow or another, the for sale listing got posted on a bunch of other other Facebook marketplace sites in my area, and some guy about 70 miles away from me ended up buying it.
And so I came out okay on the deal, but it was just a… It was a headache trying to get the noise out, and then once I got the noise out, I was all excited, and then I was all let down because we couldn’t get it to work with Source Connect or with Skype. So it’s a great box for some applications, but it just wasn’t a good one for mine.
Well, it won’t surprise you, nor our fans, but I bought one of those once upon a time, too. Also, after watching the VOBS with George, and my deal was it was just too big. It was this giant physical box.
You probably had the same reaction when it first came.
Yeah, it is much bigger than what we’re used to working with in the VO world. It’s about, I guess, three or four times the size of an AGO3. I don’t know how big it…
You know, it’s a lot bigger than a Focusrite box, you know. So it is much larger than anything else. And if you’re tight on space, I can see how that would be a problem.
Yeah, that was my major deal. And in the end, it didn’t really do anything that the AGO3 wasn’t doing for me already, like you said. So having that giant box on what I use as an editing station is just an Ikea desk, a little small 24-inch table just wasn’t going to work.
So I ended up getting rid of it as well. But I’m glad you were able to tell us about the story. I thank you for coming on.
Well, absolutely. Glad to be here and glad to help out.
Yeah, I’m glad that it’ll help me not spend any money, hopefully, between this and the next episode. So, Greg, thanks again. The rest of you fans out there, send us in your questionable gear purchases to save me from buying anything else.
And also, we’d love to hear your story. Thanks, Greg.
You’re absolutely welcome, and thanks for what you do with your VO Meter program. I learn a lot from it.
So Greg, thanks for that. Sorry for the technical difficulties getting going with Source Connect, but we made it work. And sorry that didn’t work out, but at least you found out what works for you in your particular situation.
So Sean, what else are you working on in the new year?
All right, I’m actually really excited because this year I’m working on a cool project with my girlfriend and her family. Her father’s a writer, so we’re actually trying to adapt a sci-fi novel that he’s written into a sort of radio play series that we’re going to release in a podcast format. So I’ll be spending a lot of time over at their place with my carry-on vocal booth, which is actually my sort of questionable gear purchase for this month.
I actually bought a modification for it. They sort of featured it last year at VO Atlanta. They call it their Surround Sound Hood, and it kind of takes…
It gets rid of the fatal flaw of a lot of these portable solutions and that there’s no acoustic treatment behind you. So what this does is it actually attaches to the rest of the unit and then provides a sort of acoustic hood behind your head. And so basically I wanted something that I knew…
Like usually the booth works fine in most hotel rooms and in most carpeted rooms, but there have been some places where, for whatever reason, you could still pick up some reverb. So I’m… With that attachment, I am 100% sure that reverb will not be an issue.
So I’m excited about that and I can’t wait to get my booth back from the guys over at Vocaboot to go. So, and we’re happy… So yeah, keep your ears out for The Dissenters.
Hopefully it’ll be released sometime this year, once we get a few episodes recorded. Paul, I’ll have to reach out to you because we have some villainous characters that you might be suitable for.
Mwahaha!
That’d be great.
So other than that, without further ado, we want to introduce you this episode’s guest. He doesn’t really need an introduction. Marc Cashman has been in the industry for almost three decades now, both as a successful voice talent and as a writer and producer and voice acting coach.
So without further ado, let’s go to the Dowgo Call Room and Marc Cashman.
All right, we are moving into our Bodago Call Conference Room right now, and I am so excited about the guest that we have right now, because he’s probably the most enthusiastic guy you’ll find in the voiceover industry. Of course, I’m talking about educator, coach, voice actor, producer, writer, and casting director, and owner of cashmancommercials.com, Mr. Marc Cashman. How are you doing, sir?
I am doing great, guys. How are you doing?
We are great.
Awesome, so glad to have you.
Welcome, and thanks so much for being here. At the end of the year, has it been a good year for you guys?
It’s been a very good year for me. What about you, Paul?
Yeah, I can’t complain. Actually, for some reason, the end of the year has been very good to me, too, these past few weeks, so, yeah.
That’s terrific.
No complaints.
That’s a great way to end the year. Sometimes, it’s funny, we get to the end of the year, sometimes I ask myself, how did I make it through the end of this year? How did I make it?
And then the beginning of each year, I say, how am I gonna make it through the beginning, and through this year? And somehow, at the end of the year, somehow everything turns out okay. But you never know in this business, you never know.
And that’s probably one of the main reasons that I… One of my biggest tips for being in this business is make good use of your downtime. People forget about that.
Absolutely.
And we know that as in this business, we have, we wax, we wane, we’ve got busy periods and we got dead periods. And the smartest thing that you can do is when you have slow or dead periods, make good use of them because when you’re busy, you don’t have time to promote yourself and do all the other stuff that you’re supposed to be doing because you’re so busy. So that’s why you need to take advantage of the times when you’re not busy to do all the stuff that you didn’t get a chance to do when you were busy, which is promoting yourself, keeping yourself top of mind with clients and letting people know what you’ve done lately, organizing your stuff that you’ve done over the past three or four months.
Again, all the stuff that you don’t have a chance to do on a day-to-day basis, do that when you’re slow and then you’ll feel good about yourself. Even though, again, there aren’t jobs coming in, you are still being productive and you’re still moving the ball forward.
That’s great advice. Well, Marc, Sean mentioned all the things you’ve done in the voiceover industry. We know that you’ve been honored as one of the best voices, or the best voice of the year by Audiofile Magazine.
You’re a Clio award-winning copywriter. But our audience is primarily people new to the business, newbies, as we call them. So what we’re interested mostly talking about is your coaching business.
And the first question we have is, can you tell us a little bit about your coaching style?
Wow, okay, in a nutshell, I could give you my coaching style in one sentence. Once you work with me, when you work with me, I will tell you what you did right, I’ll tell you what you missed, and I’ll tell you what you need to do to fix it. No judgments.
So basically, when somebody comes, approaches me for coaching, and says I’d like to get involved in coaching because I don’t live in LA, I’d still like to take advantage of your expertise, but I can’t come there in studio and come into your studio and have classes. Could we do this virtually? And yes, that’s the beauty of now the internet, is that you can get training and education and be talking to somebody halfway around the world, and it’s like they’re right next door.
But basically, when somebody comes to me and asks to start coaching, it’s a pretty simple process. Again, everything is done via the internet, either on one of two platforms, Zoom or Skype. Everything is recorded as well.
And so at the end of the session, the student gets an entire MP3 of the one-hour session that we’ve done. Both sides, both sides recorded so that the student can listen to hear how they did. Did they make progress?
Did they hit it out of the park? Did they crash and burn? Did they get somewhere in between?
And they get a really good objective sense of their progress, of their performance. And basically my job is to give students tools that they will use for the rest of their voice over career if this is something that they want to pursue. If that’s something they want to pursue.
I want to just hold on to that just for a second. That’s a footnote there because not everybody is suited for this business. We all would like to be actors.
We’d all like to be readers. We all say, hey, I can speak English. I can articulate what is so difficult with the reading copy.
And then once they get that piece of paper and all that copy in front of them, they realize how much work and how much multitasking they are doing when they are performing because it is a performance. What people forget with voice acting is that they are legitimate actors, just like a stage actor, just like an on-camera actor. Voice actors are voice actors.
And acting is not something that you just say, okay, I’m just going to be an actor today. Well, if everybody did that, then there would be no auditions, there would be no plays, and no anything. So many people going into voice over forget that there is acting involved, a lot of acting involved.
That said, there are perks for voice acting. You don’t have to show up on set at 4 in the morning. You don’t have to worry about makeup.
You don’t have to worry about wardrobe. In fact, you don’t have to worry about what you look like. That’s the beauty of voice acting.
On stage and on camera, people are constantly judging your appearance. Voice acting, never a problem. I don’t know if you knew this, but this is a little story about Walt Disney when he started his animated movies, and he was recruiting voice actors for his movies.
He demanded to not see anyone who came in to audition. So that’s why everyone who came in to audition for Walt stood behind a curtain, and he just listened to them and cast them purely and solely on their voices and said specifically, I don’t want to see anybody. I don’t want that to change my perspective or my decision.
So that’s the coolest thing about voice acting. Well, there are a lot of cool things about voice acting. It’s funny.
I don’t know which one of you mentioned it. I don’t know whether it’s Sean or Paul, but one of you mentioned the fact that I’m the most… What is it?
Energetic or happy?
You have this ebullience and just optimism about you, and like you’re saying, I love how you mention how when you work with someone, there’s no judgment because people really aren’t… I mean, you have to come from a place of vulnerability to get a decent performance. And for a lot of people, this is their dream.
And if they let themselves be vulnerable in front of the wrong person, it could just shatter it.
Oh, yes. Oh, there’s no question. There is absolutely no question that people…
I’ve known people who come up to me and said, you know, I studied with somebody about 10 years ago, and it was such an awful experience, I thought I would never be able to do this again. And I thought, oh, my God, what a waste of time and what a sad first experience to have. I’m sure that there are a lot of people out there who’ve had that experience, unfortunately.
But the cool thing about voiceover is that you don’t always have to be an actor. Now, I talked about acting before. Yes, there are voice actors, and voice actors are needed for animated series and video games and audiobooks.
But there’s a whole other side of voiceover that is basically what’s called the non-acting part. And that’s the storytelling part. That’s the education part.
That’s the instructional part. That’s the part that doesn’t require you to be a character, per se, or be involved in characterization. Because the bottom line is, not everyone is an actor.
If everybody was an actor, I think I’d kill myself. I mean, it would just be crazy. It would just be nuts.
Not everyone is an actor, and not everyone wants to be an actor. I can’t tell you how many students I have who say, I don’t want to be on stage. I don’t want to be on camera.
I just want to explain things to people. I want to do explainer videos and e-learning things and non-fiction audio books and stuff like that. That’s my goal.
That’s my dream. And I say, fabulous. That’s absolutely fabulous.
You know that you don’t want to be an actor. Now you’ve niched yourself into an area that you are more comfortable and confident with.
Exactly. And I know that you yourself have talked about the importance of knowing your niche and being able to identify your place within the industry. Because there are so many people in there, you can literally find any one person for any one role.
It’s true. It’s absolutely amazing how much the industry has niched itself. It used to be in the old days, back in the 50s and 60s, when a voice actor had a demo.
They had, well, back then they had cassettes, and they had commercials on side A, and then animation and other stuff on side B. And that was, I just dated myself, but basically that’s the way it was. And it was everything in the kitchen sink as well.
So you could be talking, you could be singing, you could be dancing. How do you dance on your VO demo? Trust me, it’s there.
I’ve heard it. You can hear it.
It must have been tap.
Yes, exactly. Of course it was. Absolutely tap or tap soft you, but yes, definitely tap.
But the cool thing is that there are so many areas of Voice Over that people can niche themselves and get into and find what they are really, really good at just by exploring a little bit in Voice Over with different instructors. And again, you find it’s really good to know what your limitations are so that you can then put all of your strengths into something that you really, really are passionate about.
Wonderful. And I can tell you’re extremely passionate about Voice Over.
You know what? Just a footnote on that as well. I know a number of people in my business who have burnt out.
And people ask me, how come you’re still so passionate about this after 40 years? The only thing that I could possibly say is, when I got into it, it was something that I absolutely loved. It was never work.
It was a labor of love. It’s always been a labor of love. And it’s kind of like, I look at this, I look at voice acting like scientists look at what they do.
That the more they look, the more they study, the more they discover, or the more they delve into their subject matter, the more they discover. And when they discover these things, they say, oh, no wonder I was in love with this in the first place. No wonder this was so cool in the first place.
And so their passion drives them to discover more and more things. So my exploration of the voice over universe over the past 40 years has taken me into some amazing, amazing places. And it’s just so cool.
Again, it’s like peering through a telescope. I’m just peering… Well, I’m not even peering.
I’m listening, but the more I listen, the more I hear, the more I discover.
And I love you touched on that because it’s very obvious. I’ve seen your interviews and I know that you mentioned that you were an educator in the past. And you can really tell because I was a teacher as well.
I also have a master’s in education. I come from a teaching family. And we always say that teachers are lifelong learners.
And it’s so apparent in your zest for learning and your love of sharing knowledge, of imparting knowledge to others. And I feel like that’s something that’s been really integral in your success because you’re so adaptive. And you’ve changed with the industry and you’ve been able to, like I said, maintain that stamina when others might have burnt out.
And you know what? It’s not so much the stamina. It’s my passion.
My passion, again, overrides everything. So it’s not a matter of being strong enough. It’s just a matter of letting, loving what I’m doing to a point where it’s always a labor of love.
It’s never difficult. Am I exhausted sometimes at the end of a session? Absolutely.
But it’s the kind of exhaustion that goes with, let’s say, when you work out. At the gym, or you go for a great run, or a swim, or you have a great basketball game. It’s that kind of exhaustion.
That feeling of accomplishment.
Yes, and not just accomplishment for me. It’s really the accomplishment for the person I’m working with. That’s the key.
At the end of every class, and at the end of every recorded session, coaching session, I always ask my students or students one question. What did you learn today? What is the one top of mind sticky takeaway for today?
What is the one tool, the one thing that you learned today that you’re going to apply tomorrow? If I don’t hear, if somebody can’t tell me what they learned, I didn’t do my job. That’s why I always want to know, did I do my job?
Did you learn something today? Did I bring something new to the table that made you say, oh, that’s cool, oh, I could use that, oh, I never knew that before. That’s a great thing.
That’s a classic teacher training. Both my parents were public school teachers. And while I don’t teach, I do a heck of a lot of youth sports coaching for all my kids.
And I do the same thing at the end of every practice. I say, all right, what did you learn today? I go around, everybody raises their hand.
And it’s so rewarding when you hear that come out and you think, wow, that’s something we talked about and it actually stuck. When I thought they were playing in the dirt on the baseball field and not even paying attention, they actually heard it and it’s really rewarding.
They were learning. And also, again, not only does that make you realize, yes, I did my job, but what you’re also doing is you’re reinforcing that in their minds. You’re totally reinforcing that.
And that’s… Reinforcement, as you know, goes so far in learning. It’s one thing to say something, but when you reinforce it and then you get that feedback, that cements it.
That basically carves that new groove in their brain.
Yeah, exactly. So talking about the students you work with, when someone’s approaching you or you’re looking for students, what kind of qualities do you look for in someone who you think would be able to work with you? And what skills should someone have before they come to work with you on voice over specifically?
Well, I can honestly tell you that you need to be a really good reader. I always ask my students, when you were in school and the teacher said, who would like to read so-and-so? Did your hand go up?
Every time.
Exactly. I need to know that people are good readers. I need to know that people are…
Well, obviously, they have to… You’ve got to have really, really good articulation. I can’t really teach articulation per se.
I can hold their feet to the fire, the fire of articulation, but I can’t really teach them how to articulate. That’s going to be a speech teacher. That’s not me.
And so, if I hear something egregious when somebody contacts me, and I hear something really, really off, I will literally say, listen, before we start working coaching on voiceover, you need to get a hold of one person, whether it’s a speech teacher. A number of people are dyslexic. Dyslexia in voiceover is basically like not being able to walk properly when you want to run a race, where basically your legs aren’t working.
And so in that particular case, dyslexia is a challenge. There’s no question about it. Are there workarounds?
Yes, depending upon the severity of dyslexia, because dyslexia is on a spectrum. And so some people are mildly dyslexic, some people are profoundly dyslexic. And so basically we figure out workarounds depending upon where you are on that spectrum.
If you’ve got any physical problems like breathing and stuff like that, then I address that as well. So I always want to make sure that, one, you’ve got the physical capabilities of doing this. And one thing I’m going to mention also is being blind.
I’ve worked with a couple of blind voice actors. Now you might think, wait, a blind voice actor, that’s an oxymoron. I mean, how is that even possible?
Now it didn’t used to be, but now with technology and braillers and all sorts of recorded and machines and things like that, there are a few blind people out there who are actually making a living doing voice over. It’s nowhere near as easy as when you’re a sighted person. They have to do a lot of work, a hell of a lot of work to do that.
I mean, it’s like Oscar Pistorius, although he’s not going to be doing any running anytime soon.
Not in his current situation.
But yes, I have worked with blind people as well. And truthfully, the few blind people who I’ve worked with who are doing voice over, I literally, I bow down to them. They are people who are just beyond the beyonds amazing.
I just can’t even believe that somebody who is blind would actually consider doing, not just consider doing voice over, decide, I want to be a voice actor. That is astounding to me. And the mere fact that they are actually able to accomplish that is also obviously astounding to me.
And I will help them any way I possibly can to help them get better and be better. But for sighted people, your articulation, very, very important, your breath control, your breathing, your physical health, very, very important. Again, if you are dyslexic, you’re going to be challenged.
But if you are a really, really good reader and love the written word and are articulate and understand how to express yourself and admire actors who can do that as well, then you are a great candidate for voice acting. Now people say to me, do I have to have the voice of God to be able to do this? Do I have to have an absolutely beautiful, gorgeous voice to be able to do this?
No! That’s the beauty of it. No!
You don’t have to have a beautiful, gorgeous voice. However, if you’ve got some problems with your voice, if you’re sounding very, very hoarse, and you’ve got, let’s say, polyps and things like that, and your voice is difficult to listen to, there may be some physical problems going on there that need to be addressed before you get into voice acting. But for all intents and purposes, if you are coherent, if you can read, if you can articulate, if you can make sense of things, if you love telling stories, if you take your finger and your thumb on your left hand and put them together, your forefinger and your thumb on your right hand and put them together, those two circles that you’ve got, one is voice actors and one are voice overs, people who aren’t actors.
But if you put those two circles together and you join them like a chain, that space between them is called storytelling. And no matter whether you’re an actor or a non-actor, you still have to tell a story. That’s the key.
You’ve got to be able to tell a story. And if you love to tell stories, then voice acting is for you. I started voice acting a few years after I started writing and producing and casting commercials because a number of my clients said to me, Hey, why don’t you…
We’d love to have you be the voice of our product or service. And initially I would say, Oh, no, no, no, you don’t want me. There are people who could run rings around me acting wise.
You definitely picked from these people. But the more I got from that, the more demand I got from it, I realized, OK, let’s get into this voice acting thing. It snowballed down from there.
But there are so many people who don’t do voice acting, but can transition into voice acting because they’re already using their voice. For instance, singers. Singers make great voice actors because they understand intonation and projection and how to use a microphone and articulation and all sorts of, again, a sense of musicality.
Singers make great voice actors. People who are trying to transition from stage or on camera, they’re tired of the four to five to six weeks of rehearsal of a stage play. They hate getting up at three in the morning to be on set for on camera stuff.
So a lot of stage and on camera actors want to transition into voice over. Speakers, public speakers, they make great voice actors because they understand that audience dynamic and they’re confident and they tell stories and they can stand in front of 10 people or 1,000 people, it doesn’t matter. They can stand up there and talk about all the things they do and all the things they’re talking about.
Even ventriloquists.
Or puppeteers. They love voice acting. Again, they’re storytellers and they know how to use their voice.
I’ve worked with ministers, rabbis, pastors, people who speak in front of people all the time and do now podcasts and all sorts of things. So the coolest thing is I get to work with people from all walks of life who still ultimately want to tell a story.
Wonderful. So kind of jumping off of that, because we’ve been talking about the sort of criteria required, what was… Like, not only are you famous for having a very comprehensive voice over curriculum, but you’re also famous for having your VO report card.
So could you tell us a little bit about that?
Ah, my VO report card. You know, I realized as I was… When I first got into…
When I first decided to teach, I had been writing and casting and producing commercials for about 20 years, working with voice actors all over the world, and at Critical Mass, a number of people said, Why aren’t you teaching? Why aren’t you teaching? And initially I said, Oh, there are so many teachers out there.
There are so many good teachers out there. And then I got a number of people saying, I just took a voice hour class, and I really didn’t like it. I didn’t learn anything.
Why aren’t you doing it? So then I started realizing, okay, maybe I did have something to contribute. So when I put together my syllabus and worked on it, it took me about six months to put it all together, I realized, well, here’s a syllabus.
In every school, there’s a syllabus. And at the end of every year, there’s a report card so that you are graded on that syllabus. How did you do?
How did you progress? Here’s all the stuff that we’re going to show you that you need to learn. We need to know, did you learn it?
Well, yes, you could have tests, but ultimately, again, you need at least some kind of proof that you learned something, that you got something out of it. So I realized, well, duh, of course. I had report cards.
Everybody had report cards going all through school. Why aren’t there any report cards in this? This is teaching, this is learning, this is doing.
And then I realized nobody had a report card. All these teachers out there, no report card. So at the end of the class, what do they say?
Good luck!
No feedback? No telling people, explaining to people, or showing people how they did? No assessment of all the work that they put in for X amount of weeks that they were in it, or months?
That’s crazy. So that’s why I came up with the VO report card. And also, my VO report card does not have A’s, B’s, C’s, D’s, and E’s.
Or F’s, whatever the case can be. I always thought that that was stupid. It was just stupid.
Because it’s a very subjective thing.
And it’s judgment, again.
Well, again, what constitutes an A, or an A minus, or an A plus? Some sort of a number cume. How do you grade…
give somebody an 89 on their storytelling? Where does that… I mean, it’s just quite ridiculous in my mind.
That’s basically why I came up with my report card. And I broke it down into eight specific categories that you need to be accomplished at if you want to be professional. First is breathing.
If you don’t understand how to breathe, you are not going to be a good voice actor, because voice acting entails reading and articulating tens of thousands of words, sometimes short, sometimes long. But the bottom line is, if you can’t breathe properly, if you don’t understand how to breathe properly, you will be exhausted by the end of the first page. So breathing is very, very, very important.
Timing. There’s another issue right there. Comic timing, understanding cadence, understanding rhythm, understanding where to take beats, understanding basically how we speak.
Timing, very, very important. Something that people don’t realize how important it is until they actually hear it, and then they realize, oh my gosh, absolutely. I can hear the difference here from take one to take two only because I took this beat, I understood the timing here, and that sounds so much better.
Another thing that I came up with was something that I call eye-brain-mouth coordination. That’s that loop where the words go in through your eyes, rummage around through your brain, and go out through your mouth. And that’s understanding, again, that’s being able to read cold, cold reading and understand what it is you’re reading, and make sense of what you’re reading, not just to yourself, but to the listener as well.
So your eye-brain-mouth coordination is extremely important because that’s that loop that you have, again, lifting those words right off the page. If that loop isn’t solid, if that loop isn’t strong, then you’re going to lose your place and therefore you’re going to crash and burn in the middle of a performance. So your ability to get those words off the page, super important.
Articulation, fourth thing in my report card, and articulation, obviously, we know how important that is. We always want to try to find that Goldilocks area, not too much, not too little, just right in there. That takes some work.
That definitely takes practice and practice and practice in articulating and making it sound like it’s just rolling right off your tongue, but everybody can understand exactly what it is you’re saying and not have any question whatsoever. Consistency, you’ve got to be consistent from take to take to take to take to take because that’s what this business is. It’s a series of takes, take one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
I always joke, why do they call it voice over? Because you’ve got to do it over again, and over, and over, and over, and over again. Consistency is a phrase.
They say consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. But in voice over, you’ve got to be consistent from take to take to take because if you listen to a 30-second spot, a 60-second spot on the air, and if you think that that spot was done in one flawless take, think again. That spot that you hear on the air is a patchwork quilt of sentences and lines from all different takes digitally sewn together seamlessly so that nobody would be the wiser, and it would sound like one beautiful full take.
In reality, it was multiple takes all sewn together. But consistency is very important because if the actor wasn’t consistent, they wouldn’t be able to put those elements together. Acting is another area that is very, very important.
If you want to be a voice actor, if you are going to go into characterization and do characters for commercials and characters for video games and characters on animated series and characters in audiobooks, acting is paramount. You have to really understand how to inhabit a character and keep that character consistent. So acting is very much a part of your overall performance.
Analysis and interpretation is another area where, again, you’re taking a story and you are analyzing it and interpreting it for the listener. And if you don’t understand what you’re talking about, then you’re just saying words. You’re just saying words in a vacuum.
You’re giving the words no meaning, no depth, no dimension, nothing. So interpretation and understanding the story, absolutely paramount. And last but not least, listening.
Listening to yourself, to hear what you did before and to make it better the next time. Listening to the director and do basically what they need you to do. And of course, listening as you listen to radio and TV, listening to your competition, listening to what’s on the air, listening to what the gold standards are, and of course, listening to be inspired.
I listen to narrators all the time, and some of them I say, Oh my God, how did they get that job? And others I say, Oh my God, I could listen to this guy read the phone book. Well, those are my eight areas of my voice acting, again, my VO report card, and people are graded on a 1 to 10 scale, not A, B, C, D, F.
So if they get one or two, basically, and there’s a key at the bottom, if they get one or two, basically, I’m saying you need work in this area. Three to four, I say improving, but you need more practice. Five to six, you’re starting to get it, keep at it.
Seven to eight, almost there, but you need a bit more polish. And nine or 10, you’ve got what it takes. So each one of these areas, I’m going to grade in that, in it with those numbers, and that way you can look at the report card and see, it’s like an x-ray of your skill sets.
I’m strong here, I’m weak here, I’m okay here, I’m great there, and you get a really good objective assessment of your skills. And that’s basically why I came up with the report card. And fortunately, now I’ve been teaching, this is my 18th year of teaching, nobody has come to me and said, I don’t like your assessment of my…
There’s not been one person who’s ever said that to me, because they can see that I’m very even-handed. They can see that I know where they’re strong, where they’re weak, where they need improvement, where they’re kicking ass. I’m showing it right there, it’s right there in front of them.
And I think I’m a pretty good objective signer there.
That’s absolutely wonderful, thank you so much Marc. And again, you can just really see your giving attitude as an educator and a lifelong learner. And one thing that I really love is that you’ve been sharing these tips on Facebook.
Not just one or two, but right now it’s something… I’ll let you tell it. How many do you have up right now that you’ve been doing every day?
Today was number 251.
Wow, that’s amazing.
And I’m going for… Here’s the spoiler. I’m going for 365, and that’s only because of what I’ve decided to do, is I’m going to give one tip a day for an entire year.
What’s really cool about that little story is this. My entire career, I’ve always tried to figure out a bigger picture, a higher purpose, than just teaching voiceover or just writing and producing a commercial. I always wanted to do something bigger than selling another bottle of soda or another car or another whatever.
Just selling another, just again in that advertising mode there. Yes, I’m doing what I love to do. I’m making a decent living.
I’m not a rich man by any stretch of the imagination, but I’m supporting myself and have been. But I’ve always looked at things like, okay, everybody does that. Everybody works and does what they do and make a living.
There’s got to be more. I’ve got to have a higher purpose. If I don’t feel like I’ve got a higher purpose, then I feel like I’m just do-do-do-do-doing stuff.
So when I first started writing and producing and casting commercials, I realized, okay, I’ve got a talent. How can I take this talent to beyond just making a living? And so I reached out, I started reaching out to public service organizations, nonprofits, who needed volunteers or donations or whatever the case may be to help their organization be better, like Adopt-a-Ped or Cancer Society, whatever the case may be, the homeless, the food bank, any place that needed some promotion and advertising that I could provide for free and they could get on the air and it would help them.
So early in my career, I started recruiting talent, studios, music libraries, sound effect libraries, and had everybody volunteer. I volunteered my time and I created the… I wrote it and produced it and everything else.
I basically volunteered my time, had everybody else volunteer their time, and produced every year a public service spot for a particular nonprofit organization that they could use and it was done for free. So I’ve been doing that and continue to do that. I’ve been continuing to do that almost every year.
When I did the tips, it started out just as a promotional thing. My daughter… I was talking to my daughter and she said, Dad, you need more of a presence online.
You should be doing something every day. You know it’s got to be content driven. And why don’t you just tell people what you know and glean these things from your book?
I said, okay, all right, that sounds… So I went… I did 10 days in a row.
And by the ninth day, someone said, Hey, are you going to do 10 more? I said, okay, fine, I’ll do 10 more. And after I got to 20, somebody else wrote and said, Hey, these are great, can you go to 30?
Okay, the gauntlet has been thrown. Yes, great, yes, okay, I’ll do 30. And then that turned…
ballooned into 40. And then 50, by the time I got to 50, I said to myself, all right, this is kind of like, you know, when I’m beginning of my career. What am I going to do with this?
What’s the point of this other than to just put that out there and promote myself? I need to have a higher purpose. There’s got to be a bigger picture here other than just disseminating my knowledge.
What can I do with that knowledge to turn that knowledge into something better and bigger? And then all of a sudden, I got an email that day from an organization called Vocal ID, which is a voice bank, a voice bank. And if I’m not mistaken, this voice bank provided Stephen Hawking with his voice.
Oh, wow. Okay, now that… And all of a sudden, the light bulb went off.
All of a sudden, I had an epiphany. I realized, oh my God, why don’t I do this? Why don’t I monetize these tips, do 365, charge $3.65 for a download, which is nothing.
Again, just make the price point irresistible. And have all the proceeds go to Vocal ID that would help somebody get a voice. Somebody who doesn’t have a voice, get a voice.
And all the proceeds would go for time immemorial, even after I’m dead. They would continue to go into their organization, and somebody would get a voice after the money accrues. I realize that’s the bigger picture.
That generosity of spirit is just so… Not only is it so representative of you, but what I love is, because I remember from an earlier interview, you actually said, well, my goal is to learn something new every day. I don’t know if I could learn 365 things in a year, but we’ll see.
And not only have you proven yourself wrong, but you’re giving that to so many other people, and all I can say is thank you. Such generosity of spirit is truly wonderful to see.
Thank you. I appreciate that, but I’m just happy that I was able to figure out a way to make something like this go farther, go beyond me. That’s the whole point.
Seriously, that is the whole point. If I felt that my… Again, it’s a little egotistical to a certain extent, because I’m talking about my legacy, but the thing is that I want my legacy to be that I thought beyond myself.
And I also want to… And truthfully, I want my daughter to be really proud of me and set an example. Well, basically, just set an example for a lot of people and basically just remind them that their talent can go beyond just making them a living.
And when they do that, then what’s happened is they’ve redefined who they are as people. And it’s a win-win. It’s a total win-win.
I count my blessings every day, and I never ever take for granted how fortunate I am and how fortunate I have been. And I never ever want to squander that. And life is just too short, and there’s just too many wonderful things out there that you can do.
The people I admire the most are the people who are changing the world and help other people. For instance, whenever I see a TED Talk, I listen and I say, Oh my God, these people are brilliant. These people are amazing.
These people are changing the world. These are game changers. These are absolutely amazing people.
Those are the people I admire. And if I could be just a fraction of that, I’d be happy.
Marc, you mentioned a lot of the tips are from the book, your fabulous book, VO. VO, tell us a little bit about the book and how that came about.
The book was very cool because I had been for the past, I don’t know, I think it’s been like 10 years now, there was an online company called nowcasting.com here in Los Angeles, and they had a column, they basically have columns, online columns for actors. And they approached me and asked me if I wanted to write a voiceover column, and that was about 10 years ago. And I said, yeah, sure, why not?
Let’s just have questions, and I’ll answer their questions. And so we started that about 10 years ago, and I started basically every month, people would write in, and so I had about 10 years of written and online, and I realized, boy, I had really accumulated a lot of material just in the columns alone, but then also with my teaching, in addition to bringing scripts into the studio, I would also write articles about different subjects to accompany the material that I gave, that I was teaching. So we’re talking about monologues, it’s basically how to work through a monologue, and a lot of how-to stuff, a lot of very, very practical stuff that would explain the material and help support the material that they were working on.
So I would break it down and give them a perspective, et cetera, et cetera. So after about 15 years of this, I realized I had a ton of material that I needed to organize. Well, the cool thing was is that 75% of the book had already been written.
I just needed to organize it. And then I realized, okay, and then after I put everything together, I said, okay, what don’t I have here? What am I missing?
What areas should I talk about? So I realized, so then I looked at, okay, I got about 75%, let’s do about 25% work, we’ll get all the other stuff that I need to get in here. And that took about a couple of years there because you got to work while you’re still doing the other stuff.
And so finally got it all together. And then it came down to deciding what the title was going to be. And so I realized that it, you know, I always try to go for the clever side.
I always want to try to stand out. I didn’t want it to be your typical thing here. So when I gave it to my wife and said, look through this material and tell me what you think.
And so she read through it and she said, the one thing that I came away with was, I read this and I read that, and I kept reading all these different things. And I said, oh, I didn’t know that. Oh, I didn’t know that.
Oh, oh, oh, I didn’t know that. And I said, oh, oh, oh.
So that’s why it was V-OH! I didn’t know that.
That explains it.
Wonderful. And that’s basically where that came from. And then people say, well, are you thinking of a sequel?
Yes, there’s going to be a sequel. VO2, Oxygen. And the working title is V-OMG.
Oh, nice.
It’s so current and topical.
Well, that’s what we… We strive. We strive.
Well, that’s something that I… And I’ve read this book, and it’s one of my favorites, because it’s like talking with you, your writer’s voice is exactly the way that you speak.
You know, somebody said… I get that all the time. They said, every time I read your book, I can hear your voice.
Isn’t that great? That’s so cool.
But yeah, it’s wonderful, because not only do you have a textbook that you can refer your students to and give them assignments with, but it’s just… I mean, it’s a… Like you said, it’s a legacy resource.
It’s got permanence, and people can look at it whenever they need some inspiration or a little bit of… Or just an aha moment.
Yes, and I wanted to make the information practical. I mean, I did not want it to be anecdotal. Anecdotal is kind of a passive learning thing.
I don’t know how much people get from an anecdote. I wanted to be very, very practical. I’m a practical guy.
I always tell my students right from the beginning, I said, you need to know one thing about me. I have zero tolerance for bullshit. I will not bullshit you.
So that’s the one thing that I did not want in my book, was bullshit. I wanted practical, specific things that people could use and apply. And also to keep the chapter short, too.
Short and sweet. It also helped me with my own… I recorded the audiobook version of the book.
I am halfway through editing. I was hoping to get the thing… I’m still hoping to get it completely edited by the end of the year.
But I’m halfway through editing the audiobook of my book, which will be up on Amazon and the other places and stuff like that. Because a number of people said, how come you don’t have an audiobook of your book? I do.
It’s in the process of being edited, and it will be out there, guaranteed, one of these years, hopefully. I’m working on it. I’m really working on it.
Well, that’s great. So it brings us to the end of our time, Marc. I feel like I could talk to you forever.
Wow, that was a quick… That went quick.
You think? Yeah. Time flies when you’re having fun, right?
Yes, it does.
We want to thank you so much for coming on the VO Meter. We are big fans of yours, and you’ve given so much information, so much time of yourself. We really appreciate it.
How can folks find you if they want to work for you, or work with you, or hire you?
Oh, it’s really easy. Yeah, it’s really easy. So I’m Marc with a C, not Marc with a K.
So it’s Marc at cashmancommercials.com, cashmancommercials.com. That’s my email address, Marc at cashmancommercials.com. You can go to cashmancommercials.com and see stuff, listen to stuff, all sorts of different things, get some info.
But the best way to do it is to just write to me or to call me. You can call, leave a message, and write. I answer my own phone.
Well, most of the time I’m in the studio, so I don’t answer the phone, so you can always leave a message. But yeah, you can contact me anytime that way, and I’ll get back to you. You can get my book on Amazon if you want there.
Oh, the cool thing is that just a couple of years ago, I started my online classes. So you don’t have to live in Los Angeles to be able to take my classes. Now, I still do in-studio classes in Los Angeles, my Los Angeles studio, and I work with beginners, I work with intermediates, I work with advanced and working pros.
Lately, my in-studio classes have been for beginners and intermediates, and they’re usually held on a Saturday in Los Angeles because most people are working during the week and they’re busy, and I don’t want people coming to my class tired at 7 o’clock at night after they put a whole long day in and they’re exhausted and they can’t learn. I want them refreshed, so that’s why I have my Saturday classes. And lately, I’ve been having classes online on Sundays, and that’s the coolest thing, because again, you don’t have to live in Los Angeles.
You can be anywhere in the country and participate online. Everything is recorded. It’s virtual, so we can all see each other.
The Zoom platform is like the Hollywood squares of Voice Over here. And so people, again, everything is recorded, and everybody gets a lot out of it. The only thing, they don’t get a hug from me.
They’ll get a virtual hug, but they won’t get an actual three-dimensional hug unless they’re here in Los Angeles. But they’ll get a virtual hug.
Worth the price of admission, I’m sure.
Marc, thanks again. Good luck with the rest of your year, what’s left of it, and the coming new year.
Paul, Sean, you guys have been great. I really, really appreciate your invitation here. And I know that this is a fairly new thing.
You’ve just gotten started here, but you guys are doing a great job. Keep up the good work.
Thank you so much, Marc. It was a pleasure having you on.
Thank you, guys.
Bye, guys.
Wow, talk about drinking from the fire hose. I mean, Marc is just so generous with his experience and its information. I’m really glad we were able to get him on.
What do you think, Paul?
Yeah, he made it very easy because I don’t think I said a word the entire time. He just kept throwing out the questions and answers. It was perfect.
It’s great. I mean, he didn’t even need us. We just kind of sat there and took notes, I guess.
I could have actually just hit the mute button and fallen asleep. Yeah, it would have been good. Not that I’m upset about it.
I mean, basically, he made our job easy.
No, that’s true. That’s true. That’s something, as an interviewer, you worry about.
It’s not everyone has that sort of public speaking experience like he does.
Right, exactly.
So we just wanted to say thank you to Marc again so much for coming on the show and telling us everything he’s about. And if you’re ever wondering what kind of, like, he’s just such a great example of how you can be a successful voice actor. I mean, if you just pay attention to some of the qualities he has, like that generosity of spirit, that persistence, that openness to work and loving the work, it’s like, there’s a lot to learn from him.
Yeah, thanks again to Marc. And I want to say thank you to our fans and listeners because in between this and the last episode, we actually crossed over the 5,000 download mark. So it’s really exciting.
We can’t thank you guys enough. I still can’t believe that we have that many fans, but apparently we do.
So all these people. But seriously, thank you guys so much. A number of you have reached out to Paul or myself to saying how useful you’ve been finding the podcast.
And that’s wonderful. That’s exactly what we want to hear. I mean, the whole reason we made it, aside from getting our names out there, don’t tell anyone, is to help you guys.
So we’re so glad that you’re finding it useful, that you’re enjoying the podcast. If there’s anything we can do to improve it, please let us know. Or if you want to be featured in our VO Meter stick or our new questionable gear purchase, let us know.
Just find us on Facebook at the VO Meter page, or you can send me an email, paul at paulstefano.com.
Or Sean, that’s S-E-A-N, at daily VO, as in every day, vo.com.
So with that, I want to wish everybody a Happy New Year and a great VO year. Very good.
You too. Happy New Year, guys. Hope you have a fun and productive 2018.
That’s it for this episode of the VO Meter.
Measuring Your Voice Over Progress.
See you next time, everybody.
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